July 21, 2005
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I hate the supreme court and our judicial system, but I am happy with the recent selection of John Roberts. I think I actually like him better than Bush, but that could be simply because I know less about him. In any event, I am frustrated with obnoxious democrats (just the obnoxious ones, some, like Lieberman, are ok) who will fight Bush's selection no matter who he selects. There is nothing wrong with Judge Roberts, and that seems to be forcing the obnoxious democrats into obnoxious whining and desperate complaining. I think that they would be happier if Bush had picked an ultra-conservative because then they could legitimately fight the selection. Now they are left with petty arguements and attempts to look deep into private memos hoping to dig some dirt.
I for one think that if liberals and women have a right to complain about the fact that there is now one less woman on the supreme court, I have a right to complain that there is no Mormon vote on the supreme court. (though Regan really really tried to put LDS Apostle Dallin H. Oaks on the supreme court; Elder Oaks refused). Seriously. Justices should be selected for their experience, qualifications, ability, and willingness to uphold justice. I'm not upset that there isn't a Latter-day Saint on the Supreme Court. I believe that the supreme court will still support Latter-day Saint rights. Women, don't fear. You're not going to lose your right to vote or any other right. And democrats-- Judge Roberts is a fair pick. I know you're mad that Bush got to pick, but you've had your turn and will likely have another turn to pick a Supreme Court Justice. Be patient.
Since I'm ranting and on the topic of the Supreme Court, I will let myself complain a little about the Supreme Court. Of course, I will only be tapping slightly into the ocean of gall, bitterness, and contempt I have for America's judicial system. You don't even want to get me started on the perversion of justice in the states and the little "defenses" that slow down the judicial process and make justice unobtainable in so many circumstances. Don't even get me started on the so called parent's rights and the horrible crimes that courts commit by decided the fate of children without their best interest sufficiently stated in law. Don't even get me started in the criminals that get off because of loopholes and bureaucracy. Let's just stick, for now, with the Supreme Court and it's power.
When the Supreme Court was created as the third branch of an inspired government, the Supreme Court was a group of elite, capable judges chosen to decide on a federal (above state) level whether or not a man had broken a law. That's right, they decided if people were guilty or not. This is the inspired Court of George Washington's day. This is the extent of the Court's power that can be found in the constitution.
Then came Maybury vs. Madison. Suddenly the Court assumes a new power- judicial review. This is the power to decide whether a law is actually legal based on the constitution. Now if the law is guilty, the Supreme Court can overturn it. This is only if the law is unconstitutional (ironic that this assumption of powers is unconstitutional). This is a *hesitates* good thing. It allowed future laws that, for example, limited voting, to be overturned. It allowed a lot of good things to happen and provide another check on the law making process. It is, however *hesitates* bad because there is no check or limit to this power that suddenly appeared without proper procedure (like an amendment) within the inspired constitution. It also adds to the amount of responsibilities of the Supreme Court- they have two purposes, the Constitutional purpose to pass judgment on men, and the assumed precedent of making sure laws are constitutional. So far I'm ok, but slightly leery. I'm ok because I like the constitution and think that all laws should uphold it. I'm leery because I don't think the Supreme Court assumed this power correctly, which means they could assume more power incorrectly.
It isn't actually until the 1960's that I lose all respect for the Supreme Court (or most of it at least). Griswold vs. Connecticut. This is when the Supreme Court assumed a new power- judicial activism. This is when the Supreme Court decided they had the power to decide if a law was in accordance with the "common good." What's wrong with that picture? Oh yeah, what exactly is the "common good"? In Griswold vs. Connecticut (1965) someone was suing the state government over a law that made birth control illegal. I believe that law was indeed against the common good. I don't think the government had any right to pass that law. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court had a hard time justifying a constitutional basis for overturning this law. How do we solve this problem? Judicial Activism- extremely loose interpretation of the constitution. The Supreme Court said "the First Amendment has a penumbra where privacy is protected from governmental intrusion." Apparently there were "penumbras" in the third, fourth, fifth, and ninth amendments as well. In other words, though it isn't actually stated in the Bill of Rights, we can assume that there is a limited right to privacy. What?!!!! Assume?!! Listen to this: "We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights - older than our political parties, older than our school system." Are you as outraged as I am?
Again, I agree with the short term outcome of this ruling- a bad law was overturned. But the precedent set by Griswold v. Connecticut, this judicial activism and the elusive, assumed right to privacy, lead to horrible things. They lead to Roe. v. Wade, for example. I am sick of it. I am worried for our future. If traditional marriage laws are overturned, it will not be by elected office, it will be by a group of non elected officials acting for a sense of "common good"-- an assumed justice. They are acting out of their constitutional powers.
I am tired of the commerce clause being twisted and mutilated. I am tired of the first amendment penumbra being perverted into something that doesn't exist. I am tired of the Supreme Court. I am tired of non elected justices that are not afraid of losing office taking power that is not theirs to take. There is a process whereby laws are made and unmade, and the process involves in this Republic, to which I salute, an elected body. My voice, though indirectly, should be heard. That was principle on which this nation was founded.
Comments (16)
so is abortion bad and gay marrige bad?
Slightly missing the point here- what is good or bad doesn't matter- it's what is right. It was bad for Connecticut to outlaw birthcontrol. Bad. But the Supreme Court had no right to overturn that law. The law should have been overturned by the elected officials whose duty it is to write law- the legislature.
I personally believe that saying that abortion is bad is an understatement. Likewise I am opposed to legalizing gay marriage. That, however, is besides the point. The point is that the Supreme Court should not take the power to decide away from the American people through their elected representatives. Specifically when the consitution is silent, as is the case with "privacy." We're talking about an abuse of powers that is not even given by the Constitution but is instead assumed by precedents.
Very well said Dan, I feel like I learned something this morning. (Yes!)
Holy cow... found your xanga on the Christian Students Blogring... and you're political! ROCK ON. (I'm a polysci minor, so I get excited by things like this). Don't you love random comments? I do! Have a wonderful day! In Christ, Mandy
nope.. polysci MINOR... also a english as a second language minor, and Deaf Ed as a major. (i know, academic suicide)...Anyway, about your question, and my opinion. Judical activism is just a fancy way of saying "this really isn't my job, but we're gonna make it my job"... in other words, no, the SC has no right to say what is and what is not good for the whole of America. It's to subjective. Who's to say what is and what is not benificial to our society?
Not them, that's for sure.
Keep in mind, I am a "youngin" and have not been involved in politics long, but as far as i can say, that's my opinion.
oh, and are you mormon?
In Christ,
Mandy
I forgot... 9 days till i turn the big "one nine"... how did you get the 'countdown thingy'? And "sweet!" about your mission trip!
Mandy
I just looked at your profile and found out two things.
Yes, you are a latter-day saint (did i spell that right?)
And.. YOU ARE YOUNGER THAN ME!!! That happens right next to never, so It's cool.. were you class of 04 or 05?
M
I just wanted to point out the hilarious juxtaposition of this post and your *enlightening* point of no state beginning with the letter B.......
haha... no kidding about those busses! They totally make things easier! I just need to get all this grid system streets stuff clear now and I will be all set!
wow, so I just read your last entry after posting my last comment... GO DAN!! I totally agree with you!
ever thought of becoming a politician? this country could really use a few people who think like you in office!
Great post. Roberts is going to coast through the process. If Bad Girl Bader Ginsberg and Stevens retire within Bush's term I think the Supreme Court should be safe for a couple decades.
Well I am a super-liberal Democrat, and I actually think Roberts was a decent choice. The only thing that makes me "leery" (as you said) about him, is that he's only 50 years old. So, that means he'll be on the Supreme Court probably for something like 20-30 years. That's along time for quasi-conservative, but pretty agreeable, opinions to hang on. I worry that he won't grow with the times. Time will tell on that one. Dan, I know we never really agree on political stuff, but I am always so impressed with your eloquent and intelligent candor. You're SO the type of person I find it respectable to disagree with! Take care.
I'm very sorry that you don't seem to appreciate the Court and its strengths and weaknesses in certain respects.
Every study I've read stresses the commitment of the vast majority of jurists to justice-a fair application of the law, however unfairly it may be written. They certainly have political opinions, but Court justices in particular have a small or nonexistant political agenda. There's nowhere farther for them to go. They want to apply laws fairly according to the Constitution, and to a lesser extent, stare decisis or precedent.
This requires the appointment of jurists, particularly in criminal cases. The political backlash for a judge who remanded a defendant for a new trial in an important (that is to say, media-saturated) case would be astronomical, regardless of the Constitutional rights that had been violated.
Take the case of People v. Spec . Spec brutally raped and murdered eight women, with one survivor who was able to identify him nearly faultlessly. One of the issues on appeal (post-conviction) was the inclusion into the trial of horrifying photographs, pictures that had next to no value to the case but were used prejudicially to inflame the jury against Spec. The trial judge let them in, the Court of Appeals (who at that time in Illinois were not voted into office but were up for retention) decided that they did have probative value. Spec is frequently cited on appeal as reasoning for including terribly prejudical displays on the grounds that they do have probative value. I wonder how many people have been denied a fair trial due to the Appeals Court bowing to public opinion. They couldn't have reasonably said the lower court messed up - it would have cost them politically. And so they chose to sacrifice future defendants.
Take that as a rant against precedent if you will, but that's my reasoning behind the appointment of judges. The judicial activism that you criticised has two sides as well; the Warren Court in the 60s upheld various (and currently unpopular) defendant's rights that are explicitly stated in the Constitution - particularly in relation to the 5th and 6th amendments. I prefer that those rights remain recognized - from both the standpoint of a victim and a defendant.
The judicial system certainly isn't perfect - read Courtroom 302 or Scott Turow's book on the death penalty for some harrowing examples - but it's what we've got and it's among the best in the world when addressing some of your points.
Wow I just realized how long this is. Sorry!
~Julie
I want to say something meaningful, but I'm too politically and judiciously dumb. The Supreme Court, though (with it's faults, yes—but isn't something that decides matters of opinion inherently faulty?), seems able to keep congress within a reasonable check. And while no one is checking the Supreme Court, they cannot decide on an issue unless it is brought before them, unlike congress.
And judicial activism, which you speak so awfully of…the face of the world changes daily; it is necessary to be capable of viewing the law in various lights. You say that judicial activism is bad mainly because of its deviation from the constitution, or rather it's reinterpretation of it. And reinterpretation of the constitution is judicial activism, right? So you're saying judicial activism is wrong because it's judicial activism?
Then you make the point that judicial activism led to "horrible things," such as Row v. Wade. Now—and answer this as honestly as possible—is Row v. Wade horrible because it is a clearly defined issue, the obvious resolution being that abortion should be without a doubt illegal? Or is it simply because Row v. Wade was resolved with an opinion you personally, based on your individual best judgment, disliked…?
I am against abortion. However, I am not one to tell my countrymen what is unambiguously moral with a topic carrying as much controversy as abortion.
We live in a democracy, or at least a republic. I want those who ensure the constitutionality of laws to be in-tune with the thought of a modern America, not bound to the letters of our founders (who, it should be pointed out, were not perfect, for such a thing does not exist on this earth).
And if a few of my opinions get trounced, fine. After all, the day when everything I believe is law will be a desolate one, for I know not of other's lives; I know not a ubiquitous context.
Julie,
Yes, I agree that judges should be appointed and not elected because judges should not sway to public opinion and should instead uphold justice to law. My complaint was not in that, rather my complaint was in the powers the Supreme Court assumes to change law. I think the Supreme Court should focus on the guilt or non guilt of persons and should leave the lawmaking process to the legislature. I feel that the Supreme Court missuses nuances in law like the commerce clause in an attempt to achieve a political purpose. I think it's overstepping their place.
Alex,
I don't think the Supreme Court had a right to forbid anti-abortion laws not because I am against abortion but because I do not think they had a legitimate, constitutional power to do so. Their biggest justification for the ruling was an assumed right to privacy. This right to privacy is not found in the Constitution, and therefore is not a legitimate reason for such a ruling.
Daniel, Daniel, Daniel...before you go attacking the Supreme Court for decisions that you don't agree with, condemning them for things like Roe v. Wade (Which I happen to support) you have to consider things like In re Gault, Terry v. Ohio, Miranda v. Arizona, Mapp v. Ohio, and the like. All these landmark cases aide the police in questioning subjects (Miranda) by giving the criminals the opportunity to remain silent which they almost never do, Terry creates provisions that enhance officer safety by allowing for pat down searches of the outer garments of a suspects clothing for weapons, and to discuss a third In re Gault protects the rights of juveniles in custody providing them the same rights that are provided to adults in Miranda. All of these things protect you as a civilian and should be appreciated...in addition to these cases there is one out of Florida that provides the right to an attorney regardless of offense level...up until that was added to Miranda pro bono attorneys were only provided for felony cases which meant that a lot of people were not being properly represented and unfairly convicted. Now, as a cop myself I should dislike some of these laws, but these are teh laws that protect me as well as you both on and off duty. So before you condemn the Supreme Court think about all the things that they have done well...no one is perfect. =)
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